tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2270430534591439047.post2746943530368212552..comments2024-03-14T19:22:13.917-04:00Comments on 91outcomes.com: Controversy over Dallas Gulf War Conference “Speaker”91outcomeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14092402936038968127noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2270430534591439047.post-57306260727597181652017-01-22T09:37:42.344-05:002017-01-22T09:37:42.344-05:00Watch out author of this article. Joyce Riley, Da...Watch out author of this article. Joyce Riley, Dave vonKleist and their cohorts will not only smear you, but they will do it using other names, and with fake credentials, so that you can never tell the truth, or be believed. You will spend your time defending against their attackers instead. <br /><br />I can't say DU is really an issue. Joyce Riley and Dave vonKleist started long ago, with biological and chemical weapons, which was not true. The Late Great Peter Kawaja had the real story and Joyce Riley and Dave vonKleist were sent to bury this story and they eventually killed Kawaja and have his name and likeness to defame anyone who talks about the real evidence. <br /><br />With every exposure of Joyce Riley and Dave vonKeist, they changed their story on what happened in the first Gulf War. Once they could not bare the continued exposure and all their stories were falling apart, they cam up with DU and divorced, and Dave vonKleist had to leave due to the extreme truth of who he really was. They had other radio hosts build Joyce Riley back up and went with the DU version. <br /><br />I am not saying there are not problems with vaccines, government's insistence in using our military for their own purposes, and things of that nature, but don't be fooled. DU could be a problem, and in theory, any radioactive compound has serious consequences if used outside the scope of safety, but all of these stories were used to keep the truth away. The truth that the late peter kawaja had (who started the agwva. . .who was silenced, his evidence buried, and he was eventually isolated and killed and his name defamed, and then they use his likeness to defame and attempt to destroy anyone who speaks of it. That is the real story. If you go to hanoijoyceriley.com and davevonkelistdisinformer.com, there is still some information available that these traitors have not destroyed yet. These people are not just shysters, they are very dangerous.TRUTHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02513267735778919354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2270430534591439047.post-84119714857342410842010-07-18T23:01:05.471-04:002010-07-18T23:01:05.471-04:00Finally, as I was preparing the original article t...Finally, as I was preparing the original article to which you made your comments, I did a brief review of new DU research and I'll be writing another original article about it. And you can rest assured that unlike Riley or Rokke, I won't now or ever be distorting my military rank or service, claiming countless deaths (unnamed and unverified, in their case) directly caused by a particular substance (which of course could not be proved), just making up numbers (like numbers of Gulf War veterans who are ill, lies about numbers of and deaths of "teammates"), distortions about credentials, and so on. <br />It is my opinion that when it comes to Stolen Valor issues and issues related to Gulf War veterans health that affects us all, that people like you and me and ALL of us involved must strive to sift and winnow and search for the truth, and to promptly discard that which is clearly false -- like the many falsehoods, exaggerations, and distortions purported by Rokke, who would of course like everyone to believe that anyone opposes him simply doesn't believe in the DU issue.<br />I recognize the DU issue for what it is -- that some Gulf War troops were exposed, and most were probably not. <br />And as an aside -- for me, I will likely never forget the day when in Kuwait in 1991, a few days at most after the end of the Gulf War, a buddy thought it was funny to blow the black dust off of some destroyed Iraqi artillery and I inhaled it through my nose, the iron-like smell staying there for about three days, blowing and blowing not seeming to be able to get it all out. My story can't be verified (unless I find the guys I was with AND they remember it -- back then, most of us had never heard of DU). And, I provided public testimony about this exposure to the Wisconsin state legislature while pushing our state's DU legislation, which ultimately passed.<br />So again, I'm sorry you mistook this article for being about DU, because it most certainly is not.<br /><br />-Your brother in this struggle, AnthonyAnthony Hardiehttp://91outcomes.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2270430534591439047.post-61139942266578892132010-07-18T23:00:09.173-04:002010-07-18T23:00:09.173-04:00Dave,
I'm sorry you missed the point of the ar...Dave,<br />I'm sorry you missed the point of the article. And I'm disappointed that you have confused this article as being about DU or the relevance of DU to Gulf War veterans' health issues.<br />First, let me remind you that as a totally and permanently disabled Gulf War veteran and Gulf War veteran's advocate myself, I have and will continue to fight hard for research funding related to Depleted Uranium exposures, particularly inhaled and ingested DU particulate matter -- along with relevant research on all other possible exposures as called for in the Persian Gulf War Veterans Act of 1998 -- seminal federal legislation I helped in a small way as an NGWRC officer at the time to pass. And, I also fought to have my home state of Wisconsin pass legislation related to DU.<br />Second, as should now be clear from the first point in this comment, the article about which you commented is not about DU. <br />It is about two individuals who have made repeated, verifiable distortions, exaggerations, and outright lies -- and in Rokke's case many of the Stolen Valor type -- while at the same time turning their productions into moneymaking schemes. And unlike you and me and Denise Nichols and so many other genuine veterans’ advocates, Rokke and particularly Riley have chosen not to participate in civil discourse at countless public meetings over the last two decades on GWI issues, contributing expertise or actual personal experiences. <br />And, Rokke and Riley's distortions, exaggerations, and hyperbole have gone far beyond their own persons. Indeed, that is the point of the article: that charlatans who make money off of Gulf War veterans, hawking their unscientific, unverifiable, illogical, fear-mongering DVD's and talk shows should not go unchallenged by the Gulf War veterans they "represent".<br />It should be quite telling that people like Joyce Riley do not bother to participate in the civil discourse related to these issues, with Congress, with the VA, with DoD, as do hard-working, diligent, upright, conscientious individual Gulf War veterans like you and me who are willing to delve through countless pages of highly technical scientific research to winnow out what is already known, and to help to direct research efforts to areas that can help improve the health and lives of the 250,000 (according to IOM's research review, not just plucked from the air like Rokke and Riley) Gulf War veterans suffering from chronic multi-symptom illness. <br />And, Dave, my opinion is that people who make repeated public statements that are verifiably untrue should have those falsehoods exposed for all to see -- and I'll take the time to do that when they impact me and my life -- because when they distort and lie, they affect ALL OF US in the organized Gulf War veteran movement, because their lies can be repeated as fact and then, as happened in the late 90s, ill Gulf War veterans unsuspectingly repeating those distortions all get thrown out of critical policymaking circles along with the distortions and falsehoods. We saw that in the 1990's, when people like Michael Fumento had reams of falsehoods to choose from in writing his "Gulf Lore Syndrome" type articles -- but these days, he can't dispute the results of peer-reviewed scientific studies, which have been funded through the hard work of a few Gulf War veterans like you and me who have fought hard to be awarded that funding -- something that would not have been possible had we, too, lost our credibility on these issues.Anthony Hardiehttp://91outcomes.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2270430534591439047.post-21581630692808711202010-07-18T18:30:41.450-04:002010-07-18T18:30:41.450-04:00I’ve always been troubled when I observe Veterans ...I’ve always been troubled when I observe Veterans belittling other Veterans. We all fought for the freedoms that this wonderful country provides its citizens, one of which is the freedom to express an opinion that may at times differ from the opinions of one’s peers. I’m disappointed that any Veteran would resort to publically labeling a fellow Veteran, any Veteran, as a “self-serving demagogue”, “charlatan”, or accuse the Veteran of disseminating “lie-filled, fear mongering garbage”. Those are very strong, divisive words that have no place in civil public discourse. <br /><br />Differences of opinion are just that, and on the subject of Depleted Uranium, to the best of my knowledge no one thus far has come forward with definitive scientific evidence that completely rules it out as a potential cause of Gulf War Illness. No one has yet ruled out Coca Cola either. <br /><br />What really amazes me is that the very mention of Depleted Uranium, when spoken in the same sentence as Gulf War Illness, seems to bring out the beast in quite a number of folks. Folks who seem to have a vested interest in disproving its connection to Gulf War Illness, at any cost. I find this to be highly intriguing. This fact alone suggests to me that I ought to keep an open mind on the subject. Whenever I sense that someone is trying to censor thoughts or discussion on a controversial topic like this (DU), I feel even more compelled to leave it on my list of possibles, until someone with the proper scientific credentials proves that it ought to be removed from the list. Until that day comes, each and every Veteran is entitled to express his or her views without fear that another Veteran, or anyone else for that matter, will attack their integrity and honor, most especially in a public forum. To do so casts dishonor on all Veterans. <br /><br />And that my friends, is my opinion. <br /><br />Respectfully, <br />David K. Winnett, Jr. <br />Captain, USMC (Ret.).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com